tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News April 15, 2019 10:00am-11:01am BST
when is the potential eviction date? it is imminent. i am very anxious right now. it could be happening hello. right now. it could be happening right now. it could be happening right now. the service apartment used the aid of the police to try a it's monday, it's 10 o'clock, few times unlawfully. the council i'm victoria derbyshire. a teenage girl with autism who was put in an isolation booth was well aware of the situation. we at her school a shocking 216 times have made them well aware of the has called for them to be banned. situation and they had chosen not to in a letter she wrote intervene and pretend that the to our programme, problem will go away. let me bring the pupil tells us she tried to take her own life while she was in the booth. in yourmp. what problem will go away. let me bring in your mp. what do you make of the police turning up at the door of the i decided i would rather die than be in isolation because of the mood it family and asking them to leave? are left me in. ifelt alone pulled. we have heard of this over in isolation because of the mood it left me in. i felt alone and trapped at school. for such a long time i and again. they have committed to it felt as though it would be best and again. they have committed to it because no one seemed to care anyway and written pledges and yet they are trying to evict somebody from the place where they feel safe, for no reason i can see at all. they are
speaking out for the first time, telling everybody there are only a her mum tells us exclusively how her daughter has been affected. few families left, there are i am devastated. i feel like i have let her down. actually 67 left homeless from she has completely changed. g re nfell tower. she is a completely different child. actually 67 left homeless from grenfell tower. they are trying to doa grenfell tower. they are trying to do a damage limitation exercise. the a family who escaped from the grenfell tower fire almost reputation of the council is two years ago say they're now facing eviction from their appalling. we had a meeting with emergency accomodation. mum of two jamie murray told us them last week and i was accused of she had a miscarriage bringing a volatile person he was after they moved out clearly upset into a meeting with of their new permanent home because they were were so worried about aluminium housing officers that had been on the building next door. arranged. i do not know what i was it can be the best cladding ever. it still gives me a feeling. supposed to have done wrong. they it still makes me have memories. still do not understand the nature it still brings back of trauma. i cannot see any intrusive thoughts. the night of the fire, that day changed everything. justification at all from meeting i still feel like i'm in survival him from the place where he mode from the night it currently feel safe with his wife happened until now. and children, who had been through so much into another temporary accommodation. that statement they gave us... lawyers for shamima begum, the teenager who left london to join the islamic state group in syria — they "have not threatened any are claiming legal aid to fight grenfell survivor with eviction
the decision to strip her of her british citizenship. from their property". one conservative mp we heard the audio police recording. 0thers we heard the audio police recording. others had knocked at the door says it's ‘disgusting' potentially asking you to leave. it does not match up. what is going on? hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. asi as i say, i think they are trying to also today we want to hear from you if you have been evicted from your private rented flat or house by your landlord clear the decks. i think they see for no good reason. were you served with what's called some other survivors is troublesome rather than troubled. there is no cultural change at the council, the faces of the top i changed but it's a section 21 notice? the same attitude, looking down on people as i say, i think they are would mean landlords will be trying to clear the decks. i think banned from evicting tenants they see some of our survivors is troublesome rather than troubled. without good reason — there is no cultural change at the with only 8 weeks‘ notice. council, the faces of the top i changed but it's the same attitude, let us know today. looking down and i'm afraid they do. send us an email firstname.lastname@example.org. they do not realise from the north of the borough. and sometimes they say terrible things. 0ff—line, which get reported back to me, some people lots of you have already been getting in touch this morning who work for the council are quite about our exclusive story upset about that and tell me what is on the teenager who was put going on. they do not understand, in an "isolation booth" where is the empathy and the from at school 216 times. the north of the borough. and paula on twitter: sometimes they say terrible things. 0ff—line, which get reported back to
me, some people who work for the council are quite upset about that and tell me what is going on. they "i didn't find this article surprising, now i'm not do not understand, where is the tarring all teachers empathy and can you think of any wife and children would have to move with the same brush however, some schools aren't out of the temporary accommodation they been in for almost two years to educated about autism, move to further temporary why this the child is seen as "a problem" gentleman and his wife and children and therefore removing the child would have to move out of the is an easier option, temporary accommodation they been in for almost two years to move to it's wrong & it doesn't solve anything!" further none at all, this is a service department, not a private jonathan on twitter; place where may make a private "there needs to be significant decision, they been there for two pressure put on the government, yea rs decision, they been there for two years quite safely. i want them out. not schools for a change in this. it's a disgrace and it's not the the absolute shocking state only case, this is the worst case of school funding means school leaders are so limited this week but were dealing with a with their options that these booths, once a last resort, lot of face—saving exercise on behalf of the council. they say they are now the only resort." wa nt behalf of the council. they say they want them out, they want them out. a teenage girl, who was put it's a disgrace and it's not the only case, this is the worst case in an isolation booth this week but were dealing with a at her school a shocking 216 times has called for them to be banned. lot of let me ask you, the two other the pupil, who is autistic, properties they've offered you are tried to kill herself in the booth both temporary, explained to the audience why you don't want to move and has told this programme exclusively. into either of those. and you don't she felt "alone, need to be frank, the situation, the children 's need to be frank, the situation, the children '5 safety, the children 's trapped and no—one seemed to care". and the children 's psychological judgments from where we make all our her mother is threatening to take legal action against the government judgments from where we make all our judgments from where we make all our judgments from and moving the kids unless they review how isolation
temporary, it's not a reasonable booths are used. thing to do, it's not a plausible thing to do, it's not a plausible thing to do at all and temporary, that story in a few minutes‘ time. it's not a reasonable thing to do, it's not a reasonable thing to do, it's not a plausible thing to do at all and it's not a plausible thing to do at alland it, it it's not a plausible thing to do at all and it, it wouldn't be fair on one property to another. they are very familiar with the current the government wants to stop no property they are in to be moved from one property to another. they fault evictions creating open—ended are very familiar with the current property they are in and the council tenancies. landlords can give te na nts a tenancies. landlords can give tenants a week's notice after a should permanent home from here as fixed term contract ends. the family opposed to putting us through more struggle. because the impact it's having on the children in achieving a permanent home from here as opposed to putting us through more struggle. because the impact it's having on the children is and it's who escaped from the grenfell tower going to be lasting many years into their life which we would have to file say they are facing eviction from emergency accommodation almost two years after the tragedy. the pick up and we are trying to appeal to the council to be be more family fled from the fourth floor appealing in how breathe the with flat in the early hours of gin the survivors and how they brief there has been no change in the culture in 14th, 2017. now flat in the early hours of gin the 1ath, 2017. now they say kensington the way they need to change their way. there has been no change in the culture in the way the council deals and chelsea council will not with me. bullying and intimidation continue to pay their rent. the
council says it has not affected any tactics that they use and intimidation tactics that they use which is pressure and it's really g re nfell tower council says it has not affected any grenfell tower survivor with eviction. a man has been charged cani which is pressure and it's really can i ask you as the family mp, can after posting a video online after you stop them being evicted from posting a model of grenfell tower this can i ask you as the family mp, can you stop them being evicted from online. he is accused of sending or i certainly hope so, to the council several times and will do so again causing to be sent grossly offensive today and we are in contact, i've written to the council several times and will do so again today and we material. he will appear before are pleading to leave them in peace for a period until they find some westminster magistrates' court before the end of the month. poor they. can you ensure the council continues to pay we'll certainly be doing need to do that. detective chief inspectorjohn for humanity sake they need to in massey worked with criminologists from the university of cambridge to find a link between stabbings one the area you think are still suffering mental health problems and fatal attacks the next. it is almost two how many do you think are hoped could focus police resources. still suffering mental health problems almost two there are some these findings are important to show people who had moved to new where police should concentrate permanent homes who were from a lot of people and a lot of people are controls and where they should getting worse now. there are some people who have moved to new concentrate stop and search. permanent homes who were from and the walkways. who actually thought
it is controversial and has costs they were going to be getting much but they are well worth it if that better now that they sometimes prevents murders. people when they move into a new because they are settled in homes liverpool will fall silent this they feel comfortable in but they are not, takes much longer, sometimes people when they move into afternoon to mark the thirtieth a new home that when like pandora's box and they have to face the anniversary of the hillsborough disaster. issues. like pandora's box and they public memorial services are being held, and banners with images of the 96 have to face the area, one in three people who died at the fa cup people and some degree of trauma the national health service has done game between liverpool surveys around the area, one in and nottingham forest have been draped over the city's st george's hall. three people has some degree of it's been described as one trauma including myself, by get of the greatest comebacks in sporting history. after an 11—year wait, a fall from grace and four back surgeries, flashbacks. it's nothing like what tiger woods is back. last night's victory at the us many people had been through but golf masters earned him his 5th that because i get flashbacks. it's green jacket and 15th major, nothing like what many people had been through but that makes me, to something many would have believed impossiblejust see that. and that's just one a few short years ago. person. 0ne see that. and that's just one person. one in three people have a that's the latest news. ptsd in are getting the help they need and and some are getting the back now to victoria. help they need and some as i said, our exclusive story today. they are getting worse and we've had a teenage girl, who was put are not going to are not going to in an isolation booth at her school a shocking 2115 times has called for them to be banned. what do been some there have been about we can't talk not they are the pupil, who is autistic,
related, strictly but whether or not tried to kill herself in the booth they are related, people were and has told this programme struggling anyway, it's hard we need exclusively she felt "alone, trapped and no—one seemed to care". a lot more help of every kind of her mother said for months she was unaware of what was happening to her daughter and when she found helps it's that is actually out she was "devastated." a cce pta ble helps it's that is actually acceptable to people, not every kind her mother is threatening to take of helps they need a wider range and legal action against the government unless they review how isolation they need more will keep reporting on your thank you both for coming on the programme. we will keep booths are used. reporting on your we will see if you succeed, asking the council to allow we'll hearfrom her mum, speaking for the first time, in a moment. the family to stay in the but first "sophie" — accommodation they been in for not her real name — almost two years. thank told us in a letter what it's like to be in the booth. thank her words are spoken for her. still to come... during year 7, i was the government says it wants to stop bullied by my peers. private landlords in england teachers placed me in isolation. this made me feel alone. from evicting tenants without good reason. we'll hear from one woman who was evicted after she asked her landlord to carry out repairs on herflat. during years 7 to 9, lawyers for shamima begum have i was placed there whenever applied for legal aid they felt necessary, to fight the decision which was at least one lesson to strip her of her a day, or days at a time. british citizenship. 0ne conservative says i decided i'd rather die it's "disgusting." than be in isolation because of the mood it left me in. i felt alone and trapped at school.
for such a long time, i felt as though it would be best, do get in touch with us as no—one seemed to care anyway. throughout the morning — i begged the teachers use the hashtag victoria live. to ring my mum as i didn't want to be alone any more. i , asking the council to allow the family to stay in the accommodation they then refused and took my phone they been in for almost two years. away, leaving me and a teacher i didn't know in an enclosed room. the room has six booths with a small so many messages from you about workspace and sides too. isolation booths and the use of them you cannot see other people. in schools. after our exclusive. 0ne an isolation booth at her school you have to sit in silence and be over 200 in under 40 put in an escorted to the toilet, which is embarrassing. that day, i took an overdose. isolation booth at her school over 240 times. 0ver isolation booth at her school over 240 times. over 200 and 200 and anon on text: "i am an autistic i didn't want to live any more. teenager who has had to leave mainstream education. i was forced into lessons while screaming i then spent a few days in hospital, and crying, and patronised when i tried to explain my then a week at home. issues. after i returned to school, there onwards, things got worse. from there, the exclusions started. i was dreading each day over education system is woefully as i would often have panic attacks and feel claustrophobic. inept at dealing with people in ifeel as though isolation rooms should be banned as they tend to make students feel isolated
and helpless, knocking their self esteem. inept at dealing with people in geoff on text: "i have son with autism and he was due to the amount of stress reacted badly at school. and trauma throughout school, i now suffer with depression and anxiety. his punishment was always double. anon on text: "i'm a secondary school teacher and i see that's "sophie's" experince. that isolation is the last resort her mum, in herfirst interview, and pupil needs are says she was "devastated" when she realsied what was happening ta ken into account. the education system is woefully to her daughter at school. inept at dealing with people in i've been speaking autism. i would to her and dan rosenberg. inept at dealing with people in autism. iwould behaviour the "phillipa" told me how inept at dealing with people in autism. i would behaviour the to to the use of isolation booths affected "sophie". lead to parents would be annoyed if their child was stopped from she suffered from low mood learning by others behaviour. schools cannot win in cases i am and gradually it has an impact on her personality because she'd worked really hard with the selective mutism. being in an isolation booth isolated sure parents would be annoyed if their child was stopped from herfrom herfriends, so in turn learning by others behaviour. made her become more internal. schools cannot win in cases so she stopped talking, stopped communicating. cases and when did you first know, as her mum, that she was being put "my daughter went through exactly the same. in one of these booths? my daughter has also tried suicide. i didn't actually find out my daughter wanted to die then that she was in an isolation
booth until year 11. and is still in that state. and upsetting and i am so grateful you decided to share your experiences these are so upsetting andi experiences these are so upsetting and i am so grateful you decided to i was horrified. share your experiences with us. read i was devastated as a mum, more before the end of the as a parent, that i was sending my child to school every day and she was being placed of the in an isolation booth. they had a change in teachers in the early hours of this morning, during 2017, so they had game of thrones fans substitute teachers. across the country tuned she doesn't deal with change very well. in to watch the first episode there was a change in classrooms, of the final series. after eight years, 67 episodes there was a change in routine, and many, many grisly deaths, and obviously she didn't react very there are only weeks of the show left. well, so she didn't want to sit winter has come, and the question in certain rooms, she didn't is who will finally rule westeros want to be with certain teachers, from the iron throne? so she was placed in the isolation that's assuming there room for her own safety. will be a westeros to rule. it was put to me that she would be let's take a look at a bit of the trailer. given work when she was in this heavy breathing room, but actually they're given ugh! a thing called independent i know death. learning, which means they are responsible for taking their own work into school. there was no break time. he's got many faces. there was a lunch — she would be taken to lunch. she'd be taken with a teacher and then escorted back i look forward to seeing this one. to the isolation room. but because my daughter has packed lunches, she would have her packed lunch in the room. i mean, itjust sounds draconian, doesn't it?
yes, definitely. everything you did brought you where you are now. it shouldn't be allowed to go on in schools. the whole reason that they have where you belong. isolation units, or booths, was to deal with incidents that were happening at the time, but it's home. become that the schools are using them as a prolonged punishment. and which is why you now believe that your daughter is actually being put in one of these isolation booths hundreds and hundreds of times. they are coming. yes. what do you think of that? i'm devastated. i feel like i've let her down. 0ur enemy doesn't tire. it's just... doesn't stop. she's completely changed. she's a completely different child. let's talk to pip balshaw. she has only had a few hours sleep after watching the new game at one point, your daughter of thrones episode. took some tablets... she's in aberdeen. yes. nick hilton also stayed up. he also hosted a game ..when she was in the isolation booth. of thrones quiz last night. she was trying to take her own life. yes. read more before the end of i did. and she was trying to take her own life, she says, because of the very fact 60 or 70 people. not in your home. that she was in one of these booths. 0k, 60 or 70 people. not in your home. ok, the penny hasjust yes. how did she react to that just and entertainment when you found out? journalist and tv critic
emma bullimore is here. pip and nick, how was it? —— you react. i was traumatised. i can't even begin to explain idid. how it makes me feel, i did. 60 or 70 people. not in your knowing that every day i'd home. 0k, i did. 60 or 70 people. not in your sent her into the school and they were placing her in this home. ok, the penny has getting the situation and that she felt that pieces back in order, reunions alone that she wanted to take her episode. i know white walkers being own life because she felt like she had no life. killed. but it was a good might be she wasn't allowed to be a part of any school life. frustrated that there was not dragon fire and white walkers being killed. and she had written a letter saying but it was a volume down. if you that she planned to harm herself. yes. before she took these tablets. haven't yet watched it and you don't wa nt to haven't yet watched it and you don't want to know anything about episode you were not told of that by the school, i understand. one, turn the pip, how was it for no, it was never disclosed to me. i only found out about the letter you? amazing, i really enjoyed it. i a month ago and the letter stayed 430 in the morning to watch was written two months before it. it was definitely the end of she actually tried to harm herself. emma, did you watch it? i will watch why did they not tell you? it tonight. the end of was seriously i have no idea. what do you think about the fact that they didn't tell you? dramatic. lots of unanswered i think that is atrocious. questions, a this episode one answer the school were aware that she was under camhs, any of was i spoil it. spoiler so it's like the child mental health, so it should have been alert. i don't think it answers any something that should have been disclosed to them as well. questions. it raises more questions
yeah. thanit questions. it raises more questions than it answers to spoil it. spoiler your daughter has written alert. i don't think it answers any questions. it raises more questions what it was like at that time. thanit questions. it raises more questions than it answers. it's skirting she says, "i decided i'd rather die than be in isolation because of the mood it left me in. around the conversation. but yes, getting the pieces in place, the i felt alone and trapped at school next episodes will be very climactic in terms of the threat from the north, skirting around the for such a long time." conversation. but yes, than answers. when you hear those words written pip, as we know, it kills off well by your daughter, what do you think? knows quite the episode last night i feel like i've failed, easily arisen or did it go in it like i failed her as a parent, went in quite hard, very way they and that the school, told the story and i think season that should be held responsible, there should be someone that makes eight continues. newjump straight in rather than the rules and the schools are just eight continues. newjump straight in ratherthan being eight continues. newjump straight in rather than being eased into making whatever rules they see necessary anything. as was mentioned, there is because they're allowed to. the narrative in the way they told the narrative in the way they told the story and i think season eight continues. you jump straight in they're allowed to run the isolation rather than being eased into booths how ever they see fit anything. as was mentioned, there is because there is no guidelines. there isn't any guidance as to how anything. as was mentioned, there is long children are allowed to stay a lot seasons in the way they used in there and what they're allowed to build it up over the years. a lot seasons in the way they used to build it up over the yearslj to be in there for. think to build it up over the years.” think everyone was looking forward notjust children with disabilities, to but within 11 minutes, all the it's everyday children, causing characters were up—to—date with what severe mental health problems. was going on and i think that makes i wonder if you're being really a change from all the other seasons harsh on yourself when you say in the way they used to build it up you feel like you've failed
as a parent. over emma, why do you think it's you didn't know that it was become a it's got sex, politics, characters and that appeal an isolation booth — characters and that appeal characters and that appeal characters and it require one country does make sense of humour or you didn't know that your daughter perspective, it appeals on so many had written a letter saying that she wanted to harm herself levels, the stakes are so high, because the school didn't tell you. they're not afraid to kill off i mean, you had no idea. characters, it's everything you ijust feel i should have known. could want from a tv programme and i should have helped help many shows we get people up at her in some way. 2am to because it doesn't require one country cosmic sense of humour or perspective, it appeals on so many levels, the stakes are so high, they're not afraid to kill off your daughter goes on — characters, it's everything you "i begged the teachers could want from a tv programme and to ring my mom as i didn't how many shows we get people up at want to be alone any more. 2am to you don't have to wait that much longer, it will be on at tv they then refused and took my phone away. adaptation pip, you read the books i was dreading each day and you watch the seasons, how does as i would often have panic attacks the tv it's quite tv show is ahead and feel claustrophobic. i think isolation rooms of the now the tv show is ahead of should be banned." i agree. of the now the tv show is ahead of of the now the tv show is ahead of of the books that you know are red i absolutely agree. i believe in somewhere for a child herrings, though not everyone mentioned in the tv shows and to go if at that moment there's quite a lot of aspects of they are causing a problem there's quite a lot of aspects of the books that you know are red in a classroom or they are chaotic herrings, though not everything and disruptive to other children, mentioned in the tv shows. it's not but to use it as an ongoing going anywhere but the tv show is punishment every day quite good at capturing the essence is not acceptable. of what makes it what what do you from january to march this year over two months, think about the criticism because of the treatment of women? a lot of your daughter has spent every
nudity, violence, ithink morning in an isolation booth. the treatment of women? a lot of nudity, violence, i think it's improved. there were major issues at yes. the beginning and i was very i think she's coming into school at 9am, it's improved. there were major sitting in the booth until midday, issues at the beginning and i was and then going home. very much against the rape scenes as yes. a plot the rape scenes as a plot why? it's picked up on that the she was excluded from school and they had a meeting, and i was offered a permanent complexity and depth of female characters and looking at their they've focused more on exploring exclusion, or i had to accept they've focused more on exploring the complexity and depth of female characters and looking at their story the narratives and their own personal motivations, making them than sexual objects. nick, why do you love it? it's one of those things, i started at the beginning the curriculum support centre, and watched it evolve and is one of which at the time i did not know those things, it's gripping, there it was an isolation booth. i had to accept the three isa those things, it's gripping, there is a soap opera about it. for people hours a day in order who love eastenders, its adult soap for her to complete her gcses. so i accepted the three hours a day, thinking that she was going into a curriculum support centre opera with dragons. and a much and she would be supportive with our gcse. the first day she was put bigger budget. how many millions of in the room, i was asked if i wanted dollars every episode? £11 million to look through the window in the door of the room, and it was at that moment that every episode. a bigger budget than any previous series despite there i realised it was an isolation room why did it then carry on? are fewer episodes. massive because you felt you production values. how much has a had to accept that? that's when i started to seek help. so i looked for legal help. change in series one? it's improved
i contacted agencies, because obviously there are certain rules in regards to me but declined in quality, diverging taking her out of school as a parent from the path of the books. and i would be prosecuted. i would face prosecution controversial. within the game of for taking her out of school. let me bring in dan rosenberg, thrones community it's a relatively who is your lawyer. established feeling but there is what do you think of the way philippa's daughter real potential in this last series, sophie has been treated? it's absolutely appalling to wrap everything up. who is most and i think what is particularly concerning is that her experience is not unique. likely to end up with the iron we have had children from across the country come to us throne? my girlfriend is can then with similar stories, with prolonged periods of time in isolation booths sing me of one possible contender. and with that having an effect good theory. so many twists and on their mental health. turns. what's your take, pip? when i one of the problems with was talking to my sister she told me the guidance is that there are no limits on the number of times that one acceptable answer. but i would say, jon snow stands a chance. children can be put in isolation. but i'm not convinced he will this is what the guidance says — survive. so we'll see. the always "schools can adopt a policy which allows disruptive pupils to be placed in an area away from others full of what your sister tells you? for a limited period in what are often referred to as seclusion or isolation rooms." no, but she is the one thing, this "a limited period" — i mean,
what would you take that to mean? what i think was originally meant by that was on the day, programme. thanks so much. thanks when a child is kicking off all of you. on the day, they need to be taken out of the class and put somewhere to effectively calm down. and then it goes on — "it's for individual schools landlords would be banned to decide how long a people should from evicting tenants without good be kept in seclusion or isolation reason under a planned shake—up of the law. and for the staff member in charge at the moment, a landlord can give 2 to determine what pupil's may or may months notice for a tenant not do during the time to leave their property — they are in there. without giving any explaintion — schools should ensure that pupils using a section 21 notice. campaigners say this has resulted are kept in seclusion or isolation in people being evicted no longer than is necessary for spurious reasons, and that their time spent there is like asking their landlords to carry used as constructively as possible." out repairs on the property. the government itself says that section 21 evictions are major cause i mean, that's not happening. some schools are abusing this. of families being left homeless. landlords' organisations say the problem is, is that the guidance this will make it harder is effectively hopelessly vague to evict bad tenants. and is silent on key points. there are separate proposals it's silent as to the purpose in wales to abolish section 21 of these booths, it's silent there, scotland banned ‘no fault as to the length of time. evictions' in 2017. there's far too much discretion there. it's silent as to any mechanism for review, any mechanism for monitoring. to take another example, with fixed—term exclusions, let's talk to amina gichinga from the london renters' there are limited amounts of times union, which helps people
that you can fixed—term exclude a child in any term who are being evicted, or in any one school year. including those served with section 21 notices; richard lambert that does not apply who is the ceo of the national to the use of isolation. landlord's association and alicia powell who was evicted with fixed—term exclusions, there is a requirement to inform the governing body after she asked her of certain criteria. that doesn't happen with isolation. landlord to carry out sophie is autistic. repairs on herflat. welcome all of you. so alessia, the from your investigations and the contacts you've been making, section 21 notice, what happened. we are you able to say if you believe noticed our ceiling was becoming that pupils who have disabilities are disproportionately put in these isolation booths? quite damp to the touch, we from the anecdotal experience that i have, yes, because children contacted the landlord, he said he with particularly social would get someone out, no one came communication difficulties and it became worse and worse and are more likely to be every time it was raining it was damp and cracks were appearing in sanctioned in any event — the wall. we kept reporting this to the wall. we kept reporting this to the landlord and we kept getting they have higher numbers of those fobbed off. we threatened to go to children who are excluded — the council stop we said it wasn't and they are much less likely to be able to cope with acceptable, we got told it was a a day in isolation. minor leak, it wouldn't get worse so often with isolation booths, and it did. when we said we were if you don't complete a day in isolation, you have going to go to the council we got a to do another day. philippa, how is sophie now? section 21 notice through the post evicting us. how did that affect is she is she in school,
you? horrible shock. it's not what is she out of school? you? horrible shock. it's not what you expect to happen. it was a horrible time. for mental health, yeah, she is. it's not a good situation, it thanks to dan, she is now in full—time school. she is currently heading com pletely it's not a good situation, it completely rocks your world. towards her gcses and she's hoping everything is uprooted and you've got two months to get everything to go on to college. and do you do you trust the school sorted which is not adequate. plus now to look after her? i think, under the circumstances, they now feel they have a duty to care for her. there's fees associated with moving, it costs £3000 that we had to find. but in terms of me trusting the school, unfortunately, the answer is no. have they apologised to you and sophie? the notion that you could have no. challenge this in court which you do you want an apology? can come up was challenge this in court which you can come up was that ever realistic? sort of. we were not served with a i think we deserve one. the department for education says pupil welfare must gas certificate prior to tenancy but always be put first. its guidelines say children we didn't feel confident enough should be in isolation no longer than necessary. taking it to court would be too much in a statement they told us... ofa taking it to court would be too much of a gamble for us personally, it would cost quite a lot of money and there was no guarantee plus when you've been effected it's not somewhere you would want to stay, you are still paying money to the "we are considering the letter carefully. landlord for the privilege of living "it would be inappropriate there. and it's not really a tenable to comment further at this stage."
position for you anymore so you feel like you are forced into a corner their words from the mother in that and you need to leave. let me bring interview were spoken for her. and if you've been affected in richard. how do you react to by any of the issues we've been dicussing, help is available via bbc actionline. go to bbc.co.uk/actionline, this? it's completely unprofessional or call 0800 066 066. lines are open 2a hours a day and all calls are free. behaviour. no one should ever be put thank you for your many messages about this. i own are on twitter in that position and the vast majority of landlords would respond to somebody telling them they have a says she was put into isolation for problem, dan, something needs repaired, by doing something about it. unfortunately, ithink an entire week starting at eight in the morning and finishing at 5pm, or repaired, by doing something about it. unfortunately, i think lsu repaired, by doing something about it. unfortunately, ithink lsu has been on the role of a exploitative because she was behind in her landlord. james says my wife and i coursework. absolutely shocking. taking a child out of class might be had been tenants for nearly four good for the class but not for the child. a repeat and punishment yea rs. we had been tenants for nearly four years. we paid over £30,000 in rent. we were effected just before christmas with no reason. the cycle. the child in this story has a landlady had never complained about us, we landlady had never complained about us, we are landlady had never complained about us, we are old—age pensioners, cost medical diagnosis. where is the us us, we are old—age pensioners, cost us nearly £2000 to move, we have hardly any savings. the landlady should have been made to pay for the support for her needs? 240 times! i move. was that another scrupulous landlord? there's not enough am nota support for her needs? 240 times! i am not a teacher but it is clearly information there for me to make a not working. there must be somewhere
to help her, that is trained to help judgment. they weren't given a reason and they had two months to move. yes. i don't know, note someone landlord and is a tendency on the to help her, that is trained to help someone with autism. my son gets put fence of the landlord obviously had into an isolation bid for the most a reason and says but i can't tell. ridiculous reasons. shirt not tucked sounded like a flame in alessia ‘s case. as i said, that's an m, ridiculous reasons. shirt not tucked in, homework in late. it breaks my heart seeing how miserable this exploitative case, the landlord should have responded by repairing makes him. what about the majority the property and making it suitable of kids who have lessons disrupted? for the tenant to live in. i think of course everyone cares. would it presumably are they still living in not have been better had to be at special school where autistic the same conditions? if it has been children can receive special led to someone else. we have local support? another tweet, isolation a authority enforcement to make sure where those cases come up under reported the landlord is compelled form of torture and mental abuse. to do the repairs. if the landlord won't do them. you said you were many comments from people who had going to go to the council and been an isolation booth and i will that's when you got the section 21 read them before the end of the notice. tell us what impact section programme. a family, who escaped 21 has on the people you deal with. from the grenfell tower fire, say they are facing eviction from their emergency accomodation, lam 21 has on the people you deal with. almost two years after the tragedy. iaman 21 has on the people you deal with. i am an organiser in eumenes london and we have members each week coming mahad egal and his wife jamie murray
and their two children, to us, signing up to the union now aged three and five years of age fled from their fourth floor flat in the early hours saying i am facing eviction as a result of section 21 and what this of june 14th, 2017. has led to its large amounts of 72 of their friends homelessness in my borough, that's and neighbours lost their lives becase of the blaze. one in 25 people are homeless in newham where i live and its shocking and most of them is due to section now they say, kensington and chelsea council won't 21 evictions. there have been continue paying the rent for their temporary accomodation. 140,000 revenge evictions noted by we've seen a legal letter from the council, which states the citizens advice bureau since their flat is "no longer suitable". last month, mr egal and his family 2015. so i think it's not a case of had moved into a nearby house, which should have been good landlords versus ban landlords. their permanent home. it's a systemic landlord. —— bad but they were were so worried about aluminium on the building next door and whether it was safe they moved back to landlords. the system is broken and we need to change it and we welcome their emergency place. this announcement from the government but we know we need to re nt government but we know we need to rent caps because as it stands, in a moment we'll speak to mahad, but first here's his wife jamie tenants can still be evicted by talking to me about why they couldn't stay in the permament home the council found for them. landlords putting up the rent, buy jamie didn't want to show her face however much they want to do that. because of the unwanted attention her husband and other survivors have received since the tragedy. so then in that sense, what's the it can be the best cladding ever,
point of the proposals? it's a great it still gives me a feeling, it still makes me have memories, first step towards a housing system it still brings back intrusive thoughts. that works for all. but we need to the night of the fire, that day changed everything. i still feel like i'm in survival mode from the night see the government urgently putting that it happened until now. other steps so that tenants are protected. would you welcome that, the fact something to stop and the council tried to reassure landlords, richard, being able to simply put a brand as a way of you and they said it's not cladding, it is not cladding on this getting around the fact section 21 new house, on hopefully what would notices might be banned?” have been your permanent home. it's aluminium, it's solid, getting around the fact section 21 notices might be banned? i think if it's not flammable. you have indefinite tenancies that can only be in by going to court and like concrete or brick, it doesn't allow flames to spread. you have rent controls, you return why did that not reassure you? the situation to what it was in the because we were given similar reassurances 60s, 50s and 70s, that may have when we lived in grenfell tower. worked for the tenants but didn't they're talking about your physical safety, so the way that worked for the tenants but didn't work for landlords over the course of the 20th century, we went from they're saying it is, this isn't going to burn 90% of the population renting down, you're safe. privately in the first decade too, but how i feel inside my head when i see that, you can't tell me that i feel safe. by 1991, when current legislation how i feel is how i feel, came in, only 9% were because you telling me that i am safe does landlords found they couldn't make a not make me feel safe. suitable return from their they've tried to say, "oh, investment so they got out. what don't worry it's not on your actual building." would be the impact, do you say, on
ok, so my building is here landlords of section 21 notices are and the block is here, so my building is attached scrapped? i think the onus goes on to where the cladding is, so technically it is on my building. to make sure. at the moment we think and regardless of that fact, i still have to look at it when i open my curtains. when i'm sitting in my living room, section 21 use has increased because i'm facing the block, i can see it. it's the only certain way to end the it's not comfortable. tenancy because on average it takes it's not reassuring, it's unsettling, itjust makes me over 22 weeks for a landlord to get think about what happened. possession if they have grounds and they go through the court process. you had a miscarriage. u nfortu nately. landlords are using section 21 i' m really, really because it quicker and certain. if sorry to hear that. and that was in the the courts were reformed and that last week, ten days. process movement was a speedy, yeah. landlords would have confidence in honestly, i was distraught the moment, they don't. why were you because we had just moved into the property shaking your head? there is a and it was like a little cherry on top. section if you have a tenant who is breaking the contract. it's not the so we've got our forever home again and now we can expand the family fault of the tenant of that taking a and we're really moving on from this situation. while to get through the courts. but, unfortunately, none there is another way. do you think it was ok for me to be evicted of that happened, and... because i complained about a leaking yeah, unfortunately, roof? there is that low there at the imiscarried, and... moment. no i don't and i said that i don't know. previously. i think you with a
it'sjust, um... victim of an abuse of the vast majority of landlords do not abuse. yeah, there's a lot of emotions 90% of tenancies are entered by so i can't process and i don't have the time or the capacity tenants, 10% ended by landlords 90% to process them right now because i've got other of those are entered for rent things that are going on. arrears. we did some research with members, 11% of them had issued a and now the search begins again for a permanent home, section 21 notice in the previous as you call it, a forever home. well, yeah, this is five years, 8% had issued a section all that i'm after. just for the... eight. we will see how the consultation goes. thank you, all of where you feel safe, where there won't be any flashback. you. we appreciate it. this is what i want the people watching this to understand. like, most of them will be sitting inside their living room right now with a cup of tea, watching the tv, they're lawyers acting for shamima in a comfortable, safe environment. begum who travelled we don't have that. to syria to join the islamic state we lost that. group, have applied for legal aid to fight the decision let's speak now to jamie's to strip her of her british husband, mahad egal, shamima begum was a 15 and the family's mp, year old schoolgirl when she went there with two the labour mp for kensington, friends in 2015. emma dent coad. in february this year, she was found in a syrian refugee camp. joining me now thank you for coming on the immigration barrister, programme. mahad, how much stress would you say you and your family jan doerfel who has been following the story and colonel richard kemp former head are under right now?
of international terrorism immense stress, which causes a lot at the cabinet office. of palpitations and anxiety. a lot shamima begum's lawyers can apply for legal aid becasue her appeal against being stripped of palpitations and anxiety. a lot of her british citizenships case of nosebleeds, a lot of sharp pains through the head. aches. knots in is going to be heard in a court the. . constant flashbacks and in england and wales. memories. it is a lot of stress. is that correct? yes, she has been stripped of her citizenship by the home secretary. two outline this, your wife described some of the physical effects on her health. do you think the stress over her this dramatic decision to strip her accommodation could potentially have contributed to your wife having a of her citizenship, she has had british citizenship from birth as i understand. you can only be stripped miscarriage? almost certainly it would have contributed to the of that if deprivation is conducive to the public good and it would not miscarriage stop the immense pressure they had put us under is render you status. now, the incredibly ridiculous. it was all under duress. signing the tenancy secretary of state must have taken the decision on the basis of an assumption that she has dual was duress. moving in was duress. nationality, british and bangladeshi but the bangladeshi authorities have
that process was not completed said very clearly that she isn't bangladeshi from birth. and in fact before we had to leave the new it would be discretionary for them property. like when you say hotel, to grant it or not. in other words this is the emergency accommodation you had been in pretty much since someone to grant it or not. in other words someone would have to apply to be bangladeshi. so if at the time she august 2017 and you now want to stay there until a permanent home can be stripped of her nationality she was british then that step is illegal found. the council is saying it is and the home secretary cannot strip no longer suitable for you have her of her citizenship. colonel suggested two other temporary kemp, how do you react to the fact properties. why can you not stay that her lawyers are applying for there? the council, they are legal aid? firstly i would like to controlling and minimising the say my understanding is that anyone damages stop it is a premeditated, who is born of bangladeshi parents preplanned agenda. for us, it is our which this lady was, is entitled to lives for the lives of our children and theirfuture. bangladeshi citizenship from birth, lives for the lives of our children evenif and their future. what was the agenda? damage control and damage bangladeshi citizenship from birth, even if they haven't set foot in the country so i think that's a debatable point. but it also raises a much wider issue about how we deal limitation. it was a tick box with islamic state terrorists and exercise. they are not taking into other jihad with islamic state terrorists and otherjihad east who have been out to fight with some of the most
despicable terrorist groups around account the mental health problems the world. but on the principle of we have experienced. it is about the world. but on the principle of the fighter lawyers are applying for legal aid, how do you react?” saving budgets and the reserve as the fighter lawyers are applying for legal aid, how do you react? i think it's they are entitled to do it. it opposed to fulfilling and honouring their pledge and commitments they have made. this is a statement from allows her to have legal aid although i think it shouldn't and i think we should be looking seriously kensington and chelsea borough at changing the rules and laws to prevent cases like this from council. receiving legal aid. i think we are confusing two different situations, "we have worked with more than 180 households one is people who commit crimes in from grenfell tower to find them a suitable, permanent home. britain and who are in court in "a small number of families find britain and who are in court in britain for various offences are they have trouble settling into their new property people who are fighting a war and if they wish to move, against is overseas. then we should we will find them suitable temporary housing while they consider be more clear about the difference what they want for the long term. between them. 0k, "all our homes for grenfell be more clear about the difference between them. ok, i'm sorry we households are safe and secure. couldn't give you both more time, i we have not threatened any grenfell survivor with eviction apologise but thank you both are from their property." coming on the programme. thanks for i just want to play our audience this recording. your company. bbc newsroom live is it's of the police turning up at your door. next. have a good day. have a listen. can you open the door? police.
good morning. nota bad good morning. not a bad day all in all today across the uk. a lot of dry weather and a decent amount of sunshine around this afternoon. for the week ahead we're still talking about a lot of settled weather thanks to high pressure, biggest change, going to turn warmer. today, high—pressure holding things steady especially in the east but locking us especially in the east but locking us into some quite cool continental. no pressure dry to get involved in the west but to very little avail. he was the change for the week ahead. we start to pull a bearfrom the mediterranean, squeezing the artic air the mediterranean, squeezing the articairand the mediterranean, squeezing the artic air and buy easter weekend is looking positively balmy for many of us. looking positively balmy for many of us. back to today, here's the low in the west, rain this afternoon for northern ireland, for western wales and england, elsewhere a dry story, some stray showers across the north—east of scotland, chilly down north sea coast, disappointing temperatures with the breeze, seven
or8 temperatures with the breeze, seven or 8 degrees. further west in the sunshine, 14 could be yours. you're watching bbc newsroom live. it's11am, and these are the main stories this morning: a plan to clampdown on unfair evictions the government puts forward new rules for private landlords in england. shamima begum — the schoolgirl from london who ran away to syria to join the islamic state group — has been granted legal aid so she can challenge the decision to remove her uk citizenship. there could be a way of forecasting where deadly knife attacks are likely to take place, according to a new study. teachers are warning that funding